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News Summary: With passion one can learn to solve many problems. Wars of 21st century cant be won by posturing on moral and ethical high grounds presented by Rajiv Malhotra in Gita on Fighting Terrorism. Passion and an appeal to a brand of moral and ethical high grounds are not sufficient for victory against a determined enemy. For a winning strategy in todays global environment a nation must have necessary second-to-none economic and military power to confront any enemy, a realistic strategy based on current.....read more in: Cultures and Wars

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5	030201kishankb on Monday, June 02, 2008 : S.Ghosh Sunday, June 01, 2008, 21:40 What is your basis for claiming and I quote, "There might be some tribal religions among the Beduin and other tribes but those were minor." Minor is a relative term.... It took several hundred years before most Greeks and Romans converted to Christianity as a result of political pressure. Until then they remained "pagans." Africa was mostly tribal. Romans tried and failed to penetrate deep into Africa. Even some converted "Christian Jews" refused to tow the Greco-Roman edict of following the state sponsored church and continue to practice traditional Jews practices - Torah and Talmud - with some Christian teachings. I agree with you that religion by itself is not responsible for religious wars. My point is that with each religion there is a political religion such as political Islam or political Christianity of Greco-Romans and Catholic Church, etc. Wars are a result of political action. Until recently religion was used as an excuse for extra territorial expansions by Christians and Muslims. It is therefore important to separate state from religion. Since 20th century many secular democratic states have recognized that they do not have to go to war to enjoy economic prosperity. Military power without a strong economic power is most likely to result in a failed state, e.g., Pakistan.
4	S.Ghosh on Sunday, June 01, 2008 : The books and films you have mentioned are not historical documents but fictions. Christianity was born about 350 years before it became the official religion first in Armenia and then in the Romam Empire, both Eastern and Western. According to history, the major civilizations in the Middle East or Near East before Christianity became the official religion was Greek, Zorastrian, Judaism. When Christianity became the official religion other religions got to suffer. There might be some tribal religions among the Beduin and other tribes but those were minor. However, India had the same history when Buddhism became the official religion in about 300BC, but then Hinduism became the official religion in 2nd century AD, then again during the Pala dynasty, Buddhism became the official religion. There were many inccidents of violent clashes between Hindus and Buddhist or between Saivas and Vanishnavs in India between 3rd century Bc and 12 th century AD. One cannot blame either Buddism or Hinduism for that. Similarly there were a lot of violence between the Christians and the followers of Judaism and Greek-Zoastrian religions and between the Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox. One cannot blame the religions for that.
3	030201kishankb on Monday, May 26, 2008 : S.Ghosh Monday, May 19, 2008, 01:13 As I said in my previous comment #2, the dates for Constantine should be 4th century not 6th and that for Augustine it should be 5th century, not 4th. My bad. Although error is regretted it does not take away from central points made in the essay. There were pagans and tribals during 7th century in addition to Zoroastrians, Romans, Greeks, etc in what is known today as Middle East and Africa. Greco-Romans were very active in the area. Mohammad was born into an Arab tribal family and temple of Abraham, today"s Mekkah used to house idols placed there by tribals for worshiping. Tribal and pagan wars were common in those days. Romans were into extra territorial expansion mode in the area and Constantine converted to Christianity once he became Roman Emperor. Constantine was born on a Greek Island; Greece in those days was spread across 1000+ islands and around 500 BC it was invaded and occupied by Turks and Zoroastrians. Greece as a nation came together after 1822 when allied forces defeated Turks and ended Turkish occupation of Greece. Today Greece is a nation with more than 1000 islands. I find some of entries on the Wikipedia questionable, so interested person should go to primary sources. I just finished watching a movie, Constantine"s Sword, based on James Carroll"s 700+ page book by the same name. For those interested in Cultures and Wars of the time I suggest first watch the movie Constantine"s Sword, whcih cover two thousand years of terrorism by Christian, both the Church and States, though they call it by different names to whitewash history. Then watch a documentary Fitna, which runs for 16 minutes. For the link to Fitna just search "Fitna" on the Google search engine, it is easy. Any objective person should be able to see parallel between hate and intolerance preached by both Christian Church and Islam. S/he should also notice why Jews have been the victims of prosecution by these two religions for last two thousand years. For those interested in knowing more details of history of Christianity I strongly recommend reading the book, Constantine"s Sword and also a book by A.J. Heschel, God in Search of Man, which presents Judaism and philosophy behind it. I hope this clarifies comments by Mr. Ghose.
2	030201kishankb on Monday, May 19, 2008 : S.Ghosh 01:13 Thanks, I will check facts you listed and correct if necessary. Wikipedia confirms dates about Constantine I. I need more time to check others.
1	S.Ghosh on Monday, May 19, 2008 : The article has a lot of factual errors: 1) Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus, commonly known as Constantine I, Constantine the Great (among Roman Catholics), or Saint Constantine (among Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic Christians), was Roman Emperor from 306, not in 6th century. 2) When Islam was created in the 7th century the most important religion in the Middle East was Zorastrian, as most of the Middle East was in the Persian Empire, only the coastal states ( Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey) were occupied by the Roman Empire. 3) There was no tribal religions in the Middle East in 4th or 5th century as they were either under the Roman or Persian or Armenian Empire, none of them were tribal.
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longpole1 at 14:46 : Bidwai: India must open PoK Border, Pull Troops [2 comments]

Did someone notice? There is no discussion board, yet, on Rediff Forum. See how Rediff selectively and manipulatively allows peoples opinion on its choice of articles. Unlike a normal democratic magazine which reflects the news and views of vast majority of people according to culture, values and tradtion of a country in the best interest of nation....

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	S.Ghosh on Friday, September 05, 2008 : Give Pakistani passport to Praful Bidwai along with Harriayat leaders and PDS leaders.

Kakodkar at 13:34 : NSG CLEARS NUCLEAR WAIVER FOR INDIA [18 comments]

India"s "legal" right to conduct nuclear tests has been fully preserved and the country has not made any commitment in this regard to gain the waiver from the NSG to participate in nuclear commerce, Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission said today.
"There is no explicit mention of (nuclear) testing (in the NSG waiver)," he....

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	nirumal kumar at 13:31 : Rajkar: Just b4 WW2, the German Army, mainly the SS, marched into Austria in the "Anschluss", and sent all the Eidelweiss admirers to enjoy the meathook suspension exercises. (See "Sound of Music" for the made-4-children version). Today"s Austria....

Narayanan at 13:29 : 1) India is not ready to test anything significant. Unlike China, the Indian nuclear weapons establishment hasnt got the technological infrastucture, skills, expertise, or designs worth testing, YET. Those who had called for immediate testing if the ....

Rajkar at 13:27 : BJP is still making noises, that it is a sellout of India"s sovereignty.... The Point is the Indo-US Nuclear Deal (Hyde+123) says that there will be consequences if India tests, just as there were consequences after India tested in 1998. Can BJP c....

achy at 13:26 : Looks like Bush really told the austrian, irish, and those useless kiwis his famous one liner in his deadpan voice: You are with us or you are them. (them being the new evil empire of orig-nazis, drunkards and flightless avians)

Kakodkar at 13:25 : India"s "legal" right to conduct nuclear tests has been fully preserved and the country has not made any commitment in this regard to gain the waiver from the NSG to participate in nuclear commerce, Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commis....

Truth Speaks at 10:56 : Fresh clashes in Kashmir, Srinagar tense [1 comments]

The only solution is shooting Terrorists on site.

Ashok Gulati at 06:37 : Drama of Unreality - Indo-US N-deal [20 comments]

Sir, The politicians, babus, scientists, industrialists, ministers & media favoring the n-deal should be taken to task in the court of law (Supreme Court) for deliberately presenting misinterpretations of the conditions in the deal before the sovereign people of India. This deal will be the beginning of the end of sovereignty of the people of Indi....

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	Ashurbanipal on Monday, July 28, 2008 : Slave PM is least concerned about Pakis. In fact, shortly after UPA"s formation, the idiot Natwar had proposed a "Common Nuclear doctrine" with Pakis. At the same time, Americans were actually considering Mani Shankar Aiyer"s paki oil pipeline idea....

S.Ghosh on Thursday, July 24, 2008 : This is reward for the surrender of the Sikh Slave MM Singh: WASHINGTON, July 24: The Bush administration plans to shift nearly $230 million in aid to Pakistan from counterterrorism programmes to upgrading that country"s aging F-16 attack planes, ....

S.Ghosh on Thursday, July 24, 2008 : It is difficult to trust American friendship or any American company. India has lost possibly about $400 Million for ENRON, but no electricity was produced. UNION CARBIDE never paid compensations to the thousands who got killed in Bhupal. In every cr....

R.Sharma on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 : For KishanKB: Madras Institute of Technology, which used to Madras Polytechnic, was a private enginering college. Kalam got BSc from a private Christian College, then did a Diploma in Enginerring from Madras Polytechnic. He never had a PhD.

R.Sharma on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 : I think most Indians would not mind an alliance with USA, if it is honest but not a trick of some sort. However, most Indians will not like to give up nuclear weapons just to have a few more nuclear plants in Tamil Nadu. Unfortunately, most MPs do n....

S.Ghosh at 03:33 : The Myth of a Benevolent Raj [2 comments]

The Organiser has published a number of articles by M.S.Menon and Priyadarshi Dutta( secretary of Balbir Punj) about the kindness of the British Raj.

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	Presh on Saturday, September 06, 2008 : No worries. We lost a lot of wealth then, but now we will get most of it back. Our country is big and strong now. Britain is a country in severe decline. In another 20 odd years, it will be unrecognisable. The circle is almost complete.

S.Ghosh at 01:31 : India N-powered: Vienna won, what next? [1 comments]

1) India can test, but then all equipments all plants supplied from now on will be taken away. 2) India cannot test, because all FBR( Fast Breeder Reactors made by USSR and Russia in India, Reprocessing plants also made by USSR and Russia will be in the civilian sector under the control of IAEA. How can India get enriched uranium or plutonium for....

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Truth Speaks on Friday, May 30, 2008 : Chidambaram confident of 8.5% growth [1 comments]

PC must first focus on preventing 8.5% inflation before thinking 8.5% growth.

Truth Speaks on Friday, May 30, 2008 : Special economic zones = Tax losses? [1 comments]

SEZs are Congress way of distibuting public wealth to party leaders, MLAs and MPs. Aam Aadmi is looted again and again.

A.Moron on Thursday, May 29, 2008 : India to have a missile warning system [1 comments]

So DRDO has imported a new device, so where is the credit in it??? Would it work or it would be another lame duck?

S.Ghosh on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 : Nepal declared secular republic [2 comments]

Cancel the Indo-Nepal Treaty, which was between the King of Nepal and GOIU and declare all Nepalese as foreigners in India.

Gupta on Saturday, May 24, 2008 : Karnataka assembly poll results on Sunday [1 comments]

Yet once again hung house. Indians have not learned anything, which is sad. At least the BJP won single largest party.

S.Ghosh on Sunday, May 25, 2008 : Gujjar agitation spreads across Rajasthan, 31 dead [3 comments]

Certainly Congress may be fueling these type of incidents. Congress is collaborating with the Tribal terrorists in Tripura, Nepalese agitators in West Bengal, so it is not a surprise they would provoke Gujjars in Rajasthan.

Truth Speaks on Thursday, May 22, 2008 : Oil touches $135; Govt looking at fuel price hike [1 comments]

Congress is so dead if they dare raise the fuel prices. Already the skyrocketed food prices angering the people nationwide. Now, the increased fuel prices spiral up the transportation costs, and Congress will lose all elections coming ahead. The best way is to cut the import duties and excise duty on fuel and fast forward the exploration domestical....

R.Sharma on Thursday, May 22, 2008 : Consuming like America [1 comments]

Possibly only 1 percent of the people of India can afford to consume like the Americans. Others live on Chilly and double Roti.

R.Sharma on Thursday, May 22, 2008 : Oils not well: Crude touches $133 per barrel [1 comments]

It may cost you Rs.1 Lakh to buy Tata NANO but it will cost you Rs.1 Lakh per month to maintain it.

Truth Speaks on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 : Amar to break bread with Sonia [1 comments]

At the end, all Pseudo SICKULARISTS are one. Their common goal is destroy Hindus for vote bank politics.

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