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Mahatma Gandhi and Bhagvad Gita
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News Summary: In the Bhagvad Gita, Shri Krishna encourages Arjuna to fight the Kauravas, in a bloody fratricidal war for the kingdom of Bharata. This happened a long time ago, perhaps around 3000 BCE. The kingdom had been usurped by the Kuru Prince Duryodhana, who was loathe to share power with the sons of Pandu. Krishna helped Arjuna recover his vision and balance, and recognize his responsibility and undertake the Mahabharata war, without being attached to the results of his actions. Do not yield to unmanli.....read more in: Mahatma Gandhi and Bhagvad Gita

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19	bharatendu on Monday, May 26, 2008 : Author has exposed many of his misunderstandings both in the realm of the political history of the Indian Independance Movement as well as that of the dharmic philosophy of ahiMsA. 1. In the dhArmik philosophy, ahiMsA is a tool for individual spiritual sAdhanA, and NOT a policy of state or political leadership. ahiMsA whether listed as the first yama of the eight libs of yoga, as one of the shIla within the eight-fold path of buddha, or as one of the pa~ncha mahAbhUta in jina-darshana - ALWAYS it is a tool for the sadhana of an individual. Author would do well to show us where and in which scripture has it ever been proposed as a tool for politics or a policy of state - which would go out to lend scriptural validity of Gandhi"s half baked interpretation of ahiMsA as a political tool. If it can not be shown, then let this remain a Gandhian innovation, unapproved by Hindu scriptures and tradition. Any effort of indirectly procuring a scriptural approval, as author has tried to do, is futile. 2. Author would do go through shAnti parvan and anushAsana parvan - the 12th and 13th books - of mahAbhArata. Policy for state and dharma of politicians (kshatriyas) is discussed in extremely minute details by pitAmaha bhIshma with pANDava-s in general and the eldest pANDava in particular. In fact referring to the message of kR^iShNa, from the eyes of a rightful politician, bhIshma is very clear that for a political leader, rAja-dharma does invariably involve hiMsA when needed, and is in fact ahiMsA. He re-explains from a statesman"s viewpoint what shrI kR^iShNa had already established in gItA. Soceity kind of outsources violence to those who take up rAja-dharma, and these noble kshatriyas carry out the violence, to let the soceity be non-violent. And therefore, for a political leader to have an extremist position of absolute non-violence is actually adharma, and gAndhiji stands accused of propogating that adharma. (Author kind of agreed to it at one place - but lost that thought when started talking about Gandhi) 3. Author does not seem to be aware, that this topic has been a subject of great contemplation by the second National Poet of Free India - shrI rAma dhArI siMha dinakar, who was a profound gAndhian, but also had a deep and thorough grasp on dharmic concepts - much better than his mentor Gandhi. So dinakar"s mind, as he writes in his works, was greatly troubled when he saw the Gandhi"s (mis-)interpretaions on ahiMsA and his extremist positions on it. This struggle in his mind produced a classical poetry he penned as a book called "kurukshetra" in 1946 - the book is still considered a classic today and taught as a finest example of modern Hindi poetry in the Universities. In the end dinakar had to call himself a bad gandhian as he could not succumb to this non-violent extremism propogated by his mentor. Allow me to present one stanza from that book: tyaaga, tapa, bhikshaa? bahut hoon jaanataa mai bhee, magar, tyaaga, tapa, bhikshaa viraagi yogiyon ke dharma hain; yaaki unaki neeti, jinake haath me shaayak nahee; yaa mrishaa paashanDa yah us kaapurush balheen kaa - jo sadaa bhayabheet rahata yuddha se, yeh sochakar glaanimay jeevan bahut achchha, maraNa achchaa nahee bhIshma says: {tyaga, tapa, bhiksha - I know about (these implements of ahiMsa) enough and more, but: leave these for the dharma of virakta yogis alone, or for those probably who hold not the duty-rod of the statesmen, or these could be useful techniques for the cowards afraid of war - who consider living an insultful life better than dying a graceful death} also: kaanan me dekh asthi-punja muni-pungavo ka daitya-vadha ka kiya praNa jab rama ne "mati-bhrashta maanavo ke shodha ka upaaya ek shastra hee hai?" poochhaa tha komal-manaa-vaam ne "nahee priye, sudhar manushya sakata hai tap, tyaag se bhee," uttar diyaa tha ghana-shyam ne, "tapa kaa kintu, vasha chalataa nahee sadaiv, patit-samooh kee ku-vrittiyo ke saamane" {Beholding the mountains of bones of the sages in the forest when Lord Rama took a vow to exterminate off all the daitya-s, His tender left (Seeta) had thus asked: can there be - no non-violent way of bringing these evil-minded to proper path? Yes Darling, had replied the dark one, man can of course bring about change through non-violent tapa and tyaaga, but when faced with such tendencies of sin-fallen as these that policy does not always yield the results 4. Author contradicts himself. In the beginning he rightly pointed out that soceities under buddhism entered a great decline when from a spiritual nAstika system of world-renouncing-men it spanned its scope to entire soceity thereby declining the kshatriya qualities. And that exactly is what Gandhi attempted, and arguably acheived, in our modern times too. Thanks to Gandhi, and neo-gandhians, nation and especially its political class is generally bereft of natural kshatriya qualities in accordance to rAja-dharma. ....
18	Nathuran Godsend on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 : Gandhi asked the British to surrender to Hitler. He has asked the Hindus in Pakistan to get killed by the Muslims. At the same time he was fasting to save the Muslims in India and to pay money to Pakistan.. Gandhi was a curse for India. India would be much better off without Gandhi, most possible there would not be any partition. He has diverted the freedom movement to Khilafat movement. He has partitioned India to satisfy both the British and the Muslims. He used to get protected by British secret service agents dressed up as poor farmers. Gandhi as a person was worse than Gandhi as a politician. He used to sleep naked with two other teenage girls, his nieces. This is both child molestations and incest.
17	Anant Vijay Joshi on Monday, May 19, 2008 : What would gandhi say to osama bin laden? "Come on brother, let us talk over a cup of tea why you want to kill all infidels, Americans and Isrealis!" What would gandhi say to suicide bombers? I also wonder if gandhi would still adhere to his own "philosophy" after 60 years of Bharat"s independence, after seeing the face of terrorism more clearly! gandhi said, very conveniently, "Be the change you want to see in the world". So, would gandhi dismantle the army, navy and the air force of Bharat so that the three "instruments" of violence are eliminated? Would that be the first step to bring gandhian peace in the world? But then, gandhi did participate in the world war, since he encouraged the soldiers of Bharat to side with the British and he himself got special permission from the British to work in the Red Cross helping British soldiers on the battlefield. Confusing! It is strange that he did not want to put in a good word for Shaheed Bhagat Singh, who was also a son of the soil participating in the freedom struggle, a war against the British. Well, it is not strange to me, because I do understand that that was real gandhi -- pursuing his own, never before thought of, never shown to be of enduring value, "philosophy of non-violence" -- for his own aggrandizement. May Bharat come out of the slumber induced by gandhi and face the real world in a real manner, to get the real results for real Indians!
16	g kapuria on Sunday, May 18, 2008 : KP.. it is naive to say that good things are done in Jesus" name. If you look at their history, you will see that in their first 100 years, they were persecuted for their faith. Ever since that time, they have persecuted non-christians. christianity is a license to hate others. The really bad thing is, they own the world. And Hindus do not have the courage to stand up. Just look at the so-called Hindu organizations in India and in the US. They are all loudly protesting the Islamic terrorists, but only make understated remarks about christian terrorists.
14	K Patel on Sunday, May 18, 2008 : I see here some negatives about Gandhi (my history isn"t very good and i am no researcher so I can"t comment on the validity of these claims) but with all due respect why are we pondering on this past. There are so many other issues the world and India is facing which needs more attention. Now let"s also think about what will we be achieving by proving that say everything we know about Gandhi is a lie. Will we be resolving any of the current problems? Now let"s say that it"s true that Gandhi was no saint and think about the so called Gandhi"s principles - non-violence, telling truth, standing up for the truth, unity, equality, believing in God, and so on. If there are people in today"s world following these principle, is that a bad thing? So even if Gandhi was not a saint person as majority believes, the principles people relate him with are great, so why burst their bubble? I don"t know if you read/watched "The DaVinci Code" - the bood questions the divinity of Jesus. In the end the protagonist finds out that Jesus was just a human but he doesn"t proves it to the world because "in general" lot of good things are done in his name. True there"s has been lot of killings too in his name, but I think we all agree that these are just some sadistic individuals and if not Jesus/religion they will find some other reason to do their horrible acts. I personally think that there are more pressing issues to be discussed and looked after today then trying to prove the credibility of a dead person. P.S.: I believe everyone"s entitled to their opinion and I respect those as long as they are not imposed on anyone else.
13	Anant Vijay Joshi on Sunday, May 18, 2008 : mohan gandhi, esq., was no mahatma to me, despite what the rest of the world may call him. He was an intensely quick witted and clever manipulator who had a ready answer to all and every situation and every question, satisfying the need of the hour while hiding the hollowness of his so called philosophy of non-violence with great dexterity. Is it not the same gentleman who sent Indians to help the British Army in the world war? He gave a very articulate reason (Right now we are the subjects of the British and hence it is our Dharma to help our rulers!) and convinced the poor Indians to fight alongside the British! This has to be the crowning achievement of the philosophy of deception so efficiently unleashed by Mr. Gandhi for the appeasement of his own leadership and ego. Mr. gandhi had a clear hatred for Lord Krishna of the Mahabharata. One only has to read mohan gandhi"s book "Bhagvad Gita according to Gandhi" to realize this. I just did not have the heart to write mohan gandhi"s name with the first letters in capital letters ... I will reserve that honor for ordinary people who respect the truth rather than twist it.
12	S.Ghosh on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 : To Indian: (1) Gandhi is not Sri Krishna but some people intoxicated by the Western propaganda may give him that status very soon. (2) Gandhi made no sacrifice. He was a failure in his legal practice in South Africa. In India he was supported by the English language newspapers for publicity. Financially he was supported by both Birla, Bajaj and Ahmedabad textile mill owners. When he was sent to prisom he got the status of First class political prisoners; and he used to be kept in Gwalior Palace or the Viceroy"s Palace in Simla in great luxury. The British used to torture other leaders and killed a number of them. Lajpat Rai, Jatin Das, Surja Sen were all killed. Chittaranjan Das became ill during imprisonent and died soon after. Subhas Chandra Bose was almost beaten to death a number of time but survived only because his brother was rich enough to send him to Austria for treatment. Members of the Azad Hind Fauz and the revolutionaries were executed without trial. Properties of the people who took part in the non-cooperation movement were confiscated, but the British had never touched the property of Gandhi, Patel or Nehru. 3) Leaders of the Congress in 1915, who were expelled by Gandhi ( Anne Besant, Surendranath Banerjee, Bipin Pal, Srinivas Iyenger) were not violent but they would not have diverted the Freedom movement for Khilafat Movement and they would not surrender so easily as Gandhi did always. They could maintain Hindu-Muslim unity much better, because educated progressive Muslims went out of The Congress as they refused to support the Khilafat Movement which was promoted by the most fanatic Mullahs. 4) Revolutionary movements in other countries have achieved success. It does not mean open war but hit and run tactics. Afterall the British left India not because of Gandhi( as Clement Attlee said) but because of both the Azad Hind Fauz and the Revolt in the Indian Navy in 1946. 5) British made a great propaganda out of Gandhi to demonstrate how great and kind hearted they were to appreciate the Indian Saint Gandhi and gave away their Jewel of the Crown to the Naked Fakir out of the greatness of the British race. That was the reason the British Secret Service, disguised as poor farmers, used to protect Gandhi, as a great propaganda weapon.
11	Indian on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 : Sharing my comments which most of the people may not agree with. Gandhiji is not SriKrishna. So, we cannot expect too much out of him. British treated Hindus and Muslims equally bad. Gandhiji would have felt that unity among Hindus and Muslims was very much needed to fight with British. Lets say for a minute that Gandhiji had opted for violence, were Hindus and Muslims in a position to face British and give them a tough time?? We would have lost lost that war utterly. May be Gandhi realized that India was not in a position to bear British in a war and he opted for non-violence. One mistake that he made was that he trusted Muslims. According to him may be it was needed to strengthen our community but uniting Hindus and Muslims. But he didn"t realize how bad can the Muslims be and he got back stabbed. So, after 1947, the strategy should have been changed not to try for the unity among Muslims and Hindus as it never worked. but, how can we ignore the amount of sacrifice he did.As I mentioned, he is not SriKrishna to be fully right in everything that he does. I dont see a single leader who can build a wide network as Gandhi could form. I know many people don"t agree with me but he has not become Mahatma for no reason. We are applying everything that he did with current context and scenario and bashing him. Had he been alive, he would have changed his strategy to defend dharma in today"s situation.
10	Longpole1 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 : S. Ghosh has raised an important point. The sources of propaganda machine of Gandhi and Congress. But since Gandhi is gone and India is facing hundreds of times more danger from pseudos from Nehru down to Rahul to all hijras who are though very effective in erasing Indian Civilization in 60 years what was not done in last 1000 years of foreign rule, the question to be raised is who are their backers and what are the sources. If this is figured out and nipped out no more in their buds any more, it will be reversal of India"s fortune after 1000 years of continuous slavery- physical, mental, spiritual, civilizational, social every kind of slavery of present day vast majority of clueless Indians. You wll find the sources and backers are not any Hindus except corrupt and pseudos. If India wants to evolve into true democracy and powerful but just state, a representative administration should be established which is only cent percent Hindu.
9	S.Ghosh on Friday, May 09, 2008 : More of Sri Aurobindo on Gandhi: On August 17, 1924 : "A few months earlier, Gandhi sent his son Devdas to Pondicherry to see me. He asked my views about non-violence. I told him, "Suppose there is an invasion of India by the Afghans, how are you going to meet it with non-violence?" That is all I remember. I do not think he put me any other question."
8	S.Ghosh on Thursday, May 08, 2008 : It is wrong to give any credit to Gandhi for the Freedom movement. Gandhi was very proud to be a subject of the most benevolent Empire the world has seen. These are his own words. He used to expell everyone who dared to call for complete independence as Gandhi was happy just to get some bread crimbs from his British masters. Clement Attlee said clearly that British never considered Gandhi as a factor to give India independence. Attlee said clearly that after the creation of Azad Hind Fauz and the revolt of the Indian Navy in 1946, British had no choce but to leave India because always there were only a handful of British in the Indian Army, which was mainly Indian. British in 1947 could not trust them anymore and Britain had no other resources to mobolize enough non-Indian soldiers to control India or any other big colonies in Asia. So they have concentrated their attention to African colonies which were much more profitable and easier to control. India was no longer a profitable colony in 1947 and was impossible to control without the Indian soldiers. There were not enough Gurkhas to supress the whole of India either. Gandhi was a factor at all in the Freedom movement, which he had opposed always just like his mentors Gokhale and Birla. .
7	S.Ghosh on Thursday, May 08, 2008 : Gandhian pacifism is not rooted in Hinduism either. On July 23, 1923, Sri Aurobindo said, “Purification can come by the transformation of the impulse of violence. In that respect the old system in India was much better: the man who had the fighting spirit became the Kshatriya and then the fighting spirit was raised above the ordinary vital influence. The attempt was to spiritualize it. It succeeded in doing what passive resistance cannot and will not achieve. The Kshatriya was the man who would not allow any oppression, who would fight it out and he was the man who would not oppress anybody. That was the ideal. Gandhi"s position is that he does not care to remove violence from others; he wants to observe non-violence himself.” Gandhi has little understanding of Bhagwat Gita, as he was not a well read man. His knowledge about Hinduism, Philosophy and science was very limited, as reflected in his contradictory writings in Harijan or in Young India. He had Birla to support him financially and to publicise him. Birla was also the financier of the Congress Party. Thus, we got the Gandhi propaganda Machine. British now find convenient to promote Gandhi, as Gandhi demonstrates the Greatness of the British.
6	Dave on Thursday, May 08, 2008 : Kalyan Vishwanathan stumbled unintentionally upon a fact (Hypo. II). It makes me wonder why he belaboured the Hypo III with hollow arguments? Krishna"s (regardless of Krishna being devine or not) message is universal i.e. as long as universe continue to exist (in the time/space quantum) inhibited by human beings since Geeta deals with the human being"s core problem that is common at all time and locations. Why someone has to re-interprete the cadinal truth? Any alteration to Geeta"s core value will be unthruth (i.e Adharma). How long will people of India will worship Gandhi and Neharu while not seeing their political blunders for which India continues paying thru her nose? The message of Geeta is - Be ready to sacrifice you own life and do whatever is necessary to protect Dharma or rightousness. Then only society as whole benefits and enjoys peace. Is India"s non-aggressive population (practicing Gandhi"s non-violance) living in peace since independence because of Gandhi"s and Nehru"s actions? These are cold facts and are not liberal or conservative positions. Hope people of India learn to think clearly. Best wishes to India.
5	S.Ghosh on Thursday, May 08, 2008 : Kalyan Vishwanathan has a very limited knowledge about Gandhi and Bhagwat Gita. Gandhi was not a Hindu because he never belived in the divinity of either Ram or Krishna. He said openly that that Ram and Krishna are not historical figures but figments of imaginations ( read Harijan 23.6.1937). On June 22, 1926, Sri Aurobindo said, “Many educated Indians consider Gandhi a spiritual man. Yes, because the Europeans call him spiritual. But what he preaches is not Indian spirituality but something derived from Russian Christianity, non-violence, suffering, etc. The gospel of suffering that he is preaching has its root in Russia as nowhere else in Europe—other Christian nations don"t believe in it.” “Gandhi is a European-truly, a Russian Christian in an Indian body. And there are some Indians in European bodies! When the Europeans say that he is more Christian than many Christians they are perfectly right. All his preaching is derived from Christianity, and thought the garb is Indian the essential spirit is Christian. He is largely influenced by Tolstoy, the Bible, and has a strong Jain tinge in his teachings; at any rate more than by the Indian scriptures-the Upanishads or the Gita, which he interprets in the light of his own ideas.” I suggest Vishwanathan to read first more about Indian history before writing all these rubbish which are nothing but children"s text book materials, which we all were forced to read for the last 50 years, but these are all lies and propaganda of The Congress Party.
4	g kapuria on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 : Longpole1 is right about saying that Gandhiji was a man, and Sri Krishna is God. The vast majority of Vaishnava literature says that. A famous verse in Shrimad Bhagavatam says "ete cha amsakalaa Krishnastu Bhagavaan svayam" (all other incarnations are partial (amsa) and special attribute-exposing (kalaa) manifestations, and Krishna alone is God Himself). For this reason, Sri Krishna is called Amsi and the other incarnations are called Amsa-avataras and Kala-avataras.
3	Longpole1 on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 : There is no comparision between God and man. Krishna"s message is eternal. It is not required to prove that Krishna and Pandavas used war only as last resort and for Dharma only. Gandhi shrewedly used Ahimsa as a tool to awaken masses tremendously as well as a shield by doubling consequences for British if it used violence against unarmed resistence. But then Gandhi, Nehru and all pseudeos lost their touch. Not only they lost Hindus" territories in East, West and North but also continued to loose the territory to China in North and North East to all sorts of fundamentalists at the cost of Hindus. Now Hindu donations are used to interefere in their temples violating separation of church and state. Their children are poisoned in believing that their valient heroes were thugs and robbers. Nautankis are their childrens idols in place builders of Ram Setu. Such pervertness is the present of Gandhi and his unworthy son Nehru and the vast crops of Pseudeos.
2	A.Moron on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 : Kalyan Vishanathan: You do not know the history of India or Bhagwat Gita. Gandhi came back in 1915, not in 1919. swadesi movement has started in 1905 in Bengal and spread all over India. India has at that time two groups. Within Congress there were leaders like Tilak, Lajpat Rai, Chittaranjan Das, Surendranath Banerjee, Bipil Pal. Then there were revolutionaries like M.N.Roy, Khudiram Bose, Kanailal, Hardayal, Savarkar, Rashbihari Bose of Anushilan Samiti, Jugantar, Gaddar Party. There was no need for Gandhi. Gandhi was not elected to be the president of The Congress but through a coup got the power, expelled all existing leaders and started Khilafat Movement, which had nothing to do with the freedom movement. Do not tell lies again and again. You are just a liar to say Gandhi gave leadership to the freedom movement; he used to expell everyone who dared to call for the freedom of India. He used to get protected by the British Secret Service Agents dressed up as poor begggers. Gandhi was financed by Sir G.D.Birla, a very pro-British businessman. You ask yourself why??? Gandhi was not a Hindu, so said Sri Aurobindo.
1	g kapuria on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 : No convoluted arguments needed here. Gandhiji did not understand the Bhagavad Gita. At best, Gandhiji understood only a few verses of the Gita. One look at the so-called Gita commentary by him should be sufficient.
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