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Indo-US Nuclear Deal: Missing the Point
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News Summary: Indian media as usual is missing the main point of the debate and concentrating on the spoiler of the great-game CPI(M) without understanding where India’s interest should lie.CPI(M) is not issue in this matter because even if that party would not exist, it is essential to understand the issue rather than going along with the wishes of the US government, who may or may not be interested in India’s gains or losses......read more in: Indo-US Nuclear Deal: Missing the Point

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18	R.Sharma on Monday, June 09, 2008 : Hindustan Times Report on 8th June, 2008: "Even as it scouts for nuclear fuel from the US and elsewhere, India has been sitting on massive, untapped reserves of uranium, hundreds of tonnes of which have been discovered over the past couple of years — adding to the over 1 lakh tonnes already identified in Jharkhand, Meghalaya, Andhra Pradesh, Rajasthan and Tamil Nadu. Together, these uranium resources would be enough to run all of India"s current and planned nuclear power plants for their entire lifetime of 40 years.@ Thus, we do not need 123 treaty just to get Uranium fuels. We already have it.
17	A.Moron on Monday, January 07, 2008 : ttmathew: You are saying things contradictory You said, " Now India is isolated in many duel use technology areas such as space research nuclear technology, super computer technology, aviation technonogy etc. The withdrawal of sanctions against Delhi will help India in many ways. It will open the gates for Indo-US cooperation in lucrative space research and scientific cooperation in many fields which are currently barred to Indians by the international community." At the same time you said, " Past experience force us to think that US is not willing to transfer any duel use technology (military and civilian) to any other country." This means India should not hope for any technology because even the technology to manufacture a truck can be called Dual use technology, as a truck can be used both the civilian and military sectors. Thus, your whole argument is falling apart. India has nothing to gain from the Indo-US treaty, as USA never in the past even during the time of Kennedy or Carter, who were friendly to India, helped India in any way. It will not help India either in future, but it wants India to close down the Nuclear Weapons Programme. This is the real aim of the Indo-US Treaty and our slave Prime Minister is going along with it.
16	A.Moron on Monday, January 07, 2008 : ttmathew: You are saying things contradictory You said, " Now India is isolated in many duel use technology areas such as space research nuclear technology, super computer technology, aviation technonogy etc. The withdrawal of sanctions against Delhi will help India in many ways. It will open the gates for Indo-US cooperation in lucrative space research and scientific cooperation in many fields which are currently barred to Indians by the international community." At the same time you said, " Past experience force us to think that US is not willing to transfer any duel use technology (military and civilian) to any other country." This means India should not hope for any technology because even the technology to manufacture a truck can be called Dual use technology, as a truck can be used both the civilian and military sectors. Thus, your whole argument is falling apart. India has nothing to gain from the Indo-US treaty, as USA never in the past even during the time of Kennedy or Carter, who were friendly to India, helped India in any way. It will not help India either in future, but it wants India to close down the Nuclear Weapons Programme. This is the real aim of the Indo-US Treaty and our slave Prime Minister is going along with it.
15	A.Moron on Monday, January 07, 2008 : Mam Mohan Singh is determined to give up India"s nuclear weapons. The TELEGRAPH EXCLUSIVE Menon, Burns Washington, Jan. 7: India is engaged in secret nuclear negotiations with the Bush administration, casting aside objections from the Left parties and reservations among the UPA’s own constituents to the Indo-US deal. Foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon secretly met Nicholas Burns, the top US negotiator on the deal, in Madrid in the last week of November, Bush administration officials here told The Telegraph. The meeting took place even as the joint committee of the UPA and the Left parties was being assured on behalf of the Union cabinet that the panel was fully in the picture on all steps being taken towards implementing the deal.
14	ttmathew on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 : No nuclear states (US, Russia, France, UK and China) supplies weapon grade or reactor grade nuclear fuel to each other for nuclear testing or making nuclear bomb. Therefore it may be foolish to believe that US will supply nuclear fuel to India for military purpose. They have to ensure that the fuel supplied is continuously monitared by an US sponsored international agency like IAEA. No nuclear states has attained nuclear technology by the help of other nuclear states for making nuclear weapons. They have indigienious techonology for that. Hence it may be folish for India to believe that we can use US technology for assisting our nuclear weapon programme. That is why US asked India to separate Military and civilian reactors before implimenting the act and asked India to bring the civilian reactors under contnued international monitaring. It may be noted that US has indirectly agreed India as a nuclear state by allowing India to continue military nuclear programme simultaneously with civilian nuclear co-operation. Past experience force us to think that US is not willing to transfer any duel use technology (military and civilian) to any other country. Therefore we should not think that they will transfer us any nuclear technology that India is not pocessing now. That means evenwhen US help us to make civilian nuclear reactors they will not transfer any new technology to India in this area. What they do is they will make reactors and supply fuel to it under their continued supervision. We may have exclusive right only for electricty produced there. In this context we may be cautious about the reactors that, they are not outdated ones which US is thinking to dispose of from their country. The disposal of nuclear waste is a big and unsolved problem in developed countries. It may be noted that the life time of a nuclear reactor is about 25 to 50 years depending on the technology used to construct them. In other words we should not allove US to use India as a nuclear waste dumping place. The 123 agreement says only about civilian nuclear co-operation which means supply of U233 and light water reactors to India. Moreover the right for fuel recycling seams to be benificial to us. Besides it is silent about the military nuclear technology part. But it has a close that it will be bound to Hyde Act passed by US senette which says US will have the right to stop not only the supply of neclear fuel but also can ask to return the technology and ecquipments that are supplied to us when India opt for a Pochran III. In the 123 agreement US did not deny India the right to have a nuclear test. In the Hyde act US preserve its right to suspend the agreement and preasurise othe NPT members to follow them. India did not a chance to go to international court for unilateral cancellation of the deal. India had Pochran II on 1998 and we ave collected all datas at that time so that we do not want a third test unless we want to test a nuclear fusion technology which is on developing stage. India drew its three-stage nuclear power programme, because of insufficient uranium reserves of which the first stage using U233 is almost completed. The second stage using recycled plutonium from first stage fuel waste is on the way. The technology for the third stage is under development (in completion stage but still take years to be operational on industrial basis) which uses thorium (from which U233 can be breaded). Once the three stage fuel cycle is complete we will be self reliant on nuclear fuel. Note that thorium is abondant in indian plate. At present India has limited resources for U233 the fuel for first stage nuclear power programme and deliberately in nead of additional U233 from other countries. If it is not obtained on abondance, not only our three stage nuclear power programme but also the production of nuclear power for industry will be delayed which in turns affect our industrial growth. This is the situation under which the so called United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act become relevant. Once India escape from this difficulty we will reach to a position in which we have enough fuel for outside sale. At that stage evenif we have a Pochran III, we will be able to meat all challenges at that time. For that we must be carefull in fast developing the three-stage nuclear power programme even in the circumstance of abondantly available U233 by US help. They will surely insist on no to spent money on three-stage nuclear power programme because of ensured supply of U233. If the polititions fall in this US trap we will not be able to escape from their net. From past experience (in the case of ISRO and DRDO) the indian administrateers fell in similar traps. Indians should have the political will not to fall in similar traps. Now India is isolated in many duel use technology areas such as space research nuclear technology, super computer technology, aviation technonogy etc. The withdrawal of sanctions a....
13	A.Moron on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 : Man Mohan made a DEAL that he would allow CPI(M) to do what it likes to recapture Nandigram from Trinamul Congress and in return Man Mohan will be allowed to sign the Indo-US nuclear Deal.
12	V.Mironi on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 : Why do you think Coal, Hydro electric, Solar, Windmill cannot provide electricity, when in India these are contributing 98 percent of the electricity. Nuclear energy takes away 30 percent of the budget of the India government, but contribute only 2 percent of the total electricity production---this is a total waste. This Deal has nothing to do with Electricity production but to do with India"s Nuclear Weapons Programme, which USA wants to eliminate.
11	A.Moron on Monday, November 12, 2007 : Quoted from The Telegraph Moscow, Nov. 11: Unwilling to upset the passage of the nuclear deal with the US, India will not sign an agreement with Russia on the sale of four nuclear reactors for Kudankulam when Manmohan Singh meets Vladimir Putin here tomorrow. The intergovernmental agreement was to have been the centrepiece of Singh’s 30-hour visit, the shortest ever by an Indian Prime Minister to Russia. It is not clear whether Delhi lost nerve or whether the Americans put pressure on India not to go ahead with the Russian reactor deal, at least not at this stage. What is clear is that India has decided to wait until the Americans help push the nuclear deal through, both at the IAEA and the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), before it can take advantage of any Russian offer. That way, any chance of offending the Americans will not arise. Indian foreign secretary and National Security Advisers are both telling lies. It is not the Russians who have refused to give 4 new nuclear plants, but India does not even wants to talk about this issue with Russia because that may upset the Americans. There was no discussions in Moscow about the nuclear plants at all, because India wanted not to discuss it. Thus, these people from India are trying to put another pack of lies to justify the Indo-US deal. Now they would say unless we sign up, even the Russians will not supply anything. This is a total lie. Russians even offered, when Putin came to India last time, offshore nuclear plants, which would be outside the jurisdiction of the NSG, but India was not at all interested. This is the reason Russia also does not want to give any importance to India, as India is a lost cause for them.
10	S.Ghosh on Thursday, November 08, 2007 : 30 percent of the budget for science and technology in India goes for nuclear power, non-conventional energy gets only 1 percent. However, whereas nuclear power contribute only about 3 percent of the total electricity production, non-conventional sector contributes about 7 percent of the total electricity productions. Thus, it is a sheer stupidity on behalf of Mon Mohan Singh government to to double the contribution of nuclear sector by 2020 which would cost the country three times the annual budget of the government of India. This is a total waste of money of India"s poor tax payers. Money should be better spend on non-conventional energy, which would benefit the poor, wheras nuclear energy would cost so much ( about Rs.4 per unit as opposed to Rs.2.6 from Thermal plants; much less from non-conventional plants) that only the subsidised public sector can afford that again at the cost of poor Indian tax payers. These proposed nuclear plants would be another white elephants just like ENRON.
9	V.Mironi on Thursday, November 08, 2007 : Now BJP is against the Deal. The Media will say BJP is pro-Chinese!!!!!
8	A.Moron on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 : I am sure Americans would never consider giving nuclear powred submarine to India, which Russia is giving. This is more logical now to reject the Indo-US Deal, which can ruin our relationship with Russia, as the Cold War has started again. USA was never our friend, never will be. They just want to take away our Nuclear Weapons Programme by sweet talks. USA is what Chanakya said, Bisa Kumva Poya Mukham ( a vessel full of poison but topped up with honey).
7	R. Sharma on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 : So many of the Americans came during the last few weeks to India to plead for the DEAL. It is strange to see even Kissinger , who insults India so much, came to India for the Deal.
6	R. Sharma on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 : India does not gain anything from the Deal. USA does. That is the reason it is sending high power delegates to India to plead for the Deal. Man Mohan so far failed to explain why do we need the Deal. He will not consult the Parliament or the People. He is just a Dictator. Who is better Man Mohan or Mussaraf?
5	V.Mironi on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 : Natwar Singh said also that even Sonia Gandhi and a large number of the members of the Congress Working Committe were at first were against the Deal ,but due to the pressure from Mon Mohan they are now singing different tune. The question is why does Man Mohan risk even his ministry over it? What does he gain from the Deal?
4	S.Ghosh on Monday, November 05, 2007 : I read Ywaswant Sinha"s interview with Karan Thaper. Yaswant Sinha also suggests to reject the Deal as it is. I guess Karan Thaper is misinterpreting the popular opinion. The English language press is for the DEAL. These newspapers and TV channels are trying to manipulate public opinion.
3	V.Mironi on Monday, November 05, 2007 : This is a very dangerous time for India. If the Pakis suddenly attck India with nuclear weapons, what is going to happen? If you think abouit it, you must forget this rubbish Indo-US Deal. We need nuclear weapons to defend India against the Pakis, so reject the Deal.
2	R. Sharma on Sunday, November 04, 2007 : Given the declaration of emergency in Pakistan, it is highly likely that Pakistan may suddenly attack India to divert the attention of the people of Pakistan. Thus, it is very important for India to make its nuclear weapons and emergency evacuation plans for big cities ready. During the Kargil Wat, Mussaraf was ready to drop nuclear bombs on India. He will not hesitate to do so. It is essential for India to drop the Indo-US nuclear Deal and prepare India for a sudden nuclear attack from Pakistan.
1	A.Moron on Saturday, November 03, 2007 : Karat-Kochuri-etc ( the so called JNU South Indian lobby)cannot be elected even in any municipal elections anywhere in India, they sit down in New Delhi and issue Forman. They are not responsible, so they can say what they like, because they do not have to face the electorate. I hope CPI(M) will kick out these paracites ( JNU and South Indian Gangs) from the party if it wants to be elected again. Those who vote for the CPI(M) are very poor people, they do not read English language newspapers, so they are not aware of this gangs, who are ruining the party and the country. However, the Indo-US Deal should be rejected because it would mean the end for Indian"s nuclear weapons programme.
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